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As I’ve become more familiar with the worldwide societal changes to family that are taking place I can’t help but wonder if the No on Prop 8 folks have the wrong message.  If they are honest about their end goals – complete acceptance of any alternative family arrangement – anything goes – then they would recognize that by the time gay marriage is allowed it is too late to turn back.  Does the fact that we now allow same-sex marriage mean that we’ve already dimished the value of family beyond repair?  Those of us that are LDS had what we consider a prophetic declaration regarding the sanctity of the Family and it’s divine structural requirements in 1995.  Timely enough to probably save the families in the Netherlands.  I suppose I’ve been mistaken in think that the Proclamation was simply prophetic as predicting the times we live in now.  I’m now wondering if there was action that we should have taken in 1995 to prevent the perilous spot we are in now. 

Having said all that, we are Americans.  We are not Europeans.  Our will (the peoples) has not been heard since the Judiciary voided our voice.  I believe it is not to late for us yet.  Vote Yes on 8 and prove that we are captains of our our destiny.



  1. Proposition 8 is more than same sex marriage its about protecting our sons and daughters from growing up in a world that teaches that being gay or lesbian is just as normal as being straight. I don’t want my sons and daughters being taught as young as five years old in school that it is okay to marry someone of their same sex. It is about the principle of religion. And protecting what God has set up as the correct way to replenish the earth. It is marriage between a Man and a Woman. God set Adam and Eve on earth to have their posterity fill the whole earth. It goes contrary to the laws set up by God himself. I have nothing against gay or lesbian individuals. I believe they can live their life how they please. I am against the teachings that go against the teachings of God. And we must fight to protect God’s holy ordinance of Marriage between one man and one woman.

    Please go to to read more about the benefits of proposition 8.

    • beetlebabee
    • Posted October 19, 2008 at 6:29 am
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    Great post. Have you seen the published gay agenda written back in the 1980’s? They set out to destroy marriage twenty years ago and said it could be done in ten. It’s taken them a little longer, but it’ll shock you how accurate their plan has been. Everyone ought to see this. It was published in a book by two talented gay men and titled “After the Ball.”—this is the outline:

    1. “Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and as often as possible.” That was aimed at making people so tired of the issue they would want to give them anything they want to make them shut up.

    2. “Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers.” That’s why they exploited things like the tragic murder of Matthew Shepard. It was a tragic murder, yet they have used that and spun that to demonize people like Dr. James Dobson and other Christian leaders who have taken a biblical stand on homosexual behavior — people who have love and compassion for those trapped in that behavior.

    3. “Give homosexual protectors a just cause.” That was designed to tap into and exploit the almost innate sense of fairness that Americans have; to the sympathy that we have — especially liberals have — for those who seem to be disenfranchised.

    4. “Make gays look good.” That’s what they’ve done through media campaigns, through television programs, like “Will and Grace” and others, where homosexuals are portrayed as the most normal, stable people in America.

    5. “Make the victimizers look bad.” They portray people of faith — people who have legitimate and biblical reasons to oppose homosexual behavior — as homophobes and bigots. They also try to “muddy the moral waters” by getting liberal churches, many of which have thrown out a great deal of the Bible, to say that homosexual behavior is just fine from a theological perspective.

    6. “Get funds from corporate America.” In fact, they have. They have gotten corporate America to sign on to their agenda, and it is very interesting how they have done that. It’s based on fudging the truth — and outright lies.

    • abbyearth
    • Posted October 25, 2008 at 5:59 am
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    Homosexual Relationships Are Statisically Very Unstable With Anti-Marriage Partner & Sex Habits. Check Out The Hard Core Research Statistics Yourself. Then Vote Yes Prop. 8. For REAL Marriage…Here’s the original article containing massive research from a lot of independent researchers: Publication “Homosexual Marriage: A Social Science View” Here:

    • beetlebabee
    • Posted October 26, 2008 at 6:36 am
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    Hey Jon! Did you know that France already went through this fight? I was shocked to learn that. France! of all countries. Who would figure they would be our allies in this?

    I have been looking into their studies. They actually REJECTED gay marriage because they found it hurt kids. I guess it shouldn’t surprise us that genders matter in child rearing, but it seems like in all the hullabaloo about so called “gay rights” we’ve forgotten about the kids’ rights. Kids have rights too.

    To hear the opposition tell it, you’d think we were the only backward country in the world that hadn’t already accepted the inevitable. Only five countries have legalized same sex marriage. France is one of the ones who studied it out first. They went to those five countries and saw what their choice had done to the stability of their countries. There are marked declines in health and family. It’s worth looking into, rather than just running full steam ahead into oblivion. I am always leery of people who want to guilt me into voting a certain way. It makes me want to say, so… what’s the other side? here it is.

    • beetlebabee
    • Posted October 28, 2008 at 4:17 pm
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    Protect our kids. Vote YES on Proposition 8

    Download Gay Day information flyer for parents of school age children and grandchildren here:

    I printed these up and passed them around my neighborhood. Parents need to know!

  2. “Having said all that, we are Americans. We are not Europeans. Our will (the peoples) has not been heard since the Judiciary voided our voice. I believe it is not to late for us yet. Vote Yes on 8 and prove that we are captains of our our destiny.”

    Sounds like the same thing people were saying when the courts ruled on interracial marriage and integrating the schools.

    Funny, I think the Mormon church didnt like black people then either…

    • jonmarct
    • Posted November 1, 2008 at 10:04 am
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    Pomo – I think you are confusing discrimination with hate. The law is almost always discriminary. We don’t allow brothers and sisters to marry. We don’t allow blind people to drive. We’ve decided is both situations (and there are many) that the public good of the society is best served by these restrictions. Does it mean we hate brothers and sisters or blind people, of course not. It is very important to consider the costs of said restrictions as well as the public good. What all responsible Californians should be doing at this point is weighing the benefits of same-sex marriage with the costs. If the benefits outway the costs then it should be allowed and vice-versa. Of course a good understanding of the benefits and costs is required to make that choice. And branding anyone with an opposing view as a bigot isn’t helping at all. As for the Mormons and the blacks – that’s a doctrinal discussion for another day in another forum.

    • Erin
    • Posted November 2, 2008 at 6:00 pm
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    Prop 8 is not going to hurt anyones children. If anything prop 8 will help our children grow into a more accepting society. If your child grew up to be gay would you love them any less? Would you want your child do be denied the right to marry who they loved?
    Prop 8 does not teach gay marraige in schools. Straight marraige isnt even taught in schools.
    If God’s message is about social justice, then why would he DISCRIMINATE against gay people. Jesus sat with Samaritans, tax collectors, and women. So in turn to bring out Jesus and his message in the world shoudn’t we ‘sit’ with them as well?
    This is more then the protection of religion, it is a civil rights movement. Just like in the 1960’s we are asking that ALL people no matter race, sex, religion, or lifestyle that we be treated the same under the eyes of the law.

  3. It took judges to decide it was discrimination to not allow mixed races to marry.

    It was fought…kind of like what’s happening now.

    In December 1912 and January 1913, Representative Seaborn Roddenbery (Democrat of Georgia) again introduced a proposal in the United States House of Representatives to insert a prohibition of miscegenation into the US Constitution and thus create a nation-wide ban on interracial marriage.
    WOW…sounds like what’s happening now but with a different group of people!

    When Atheists can get married; when the person performing the ceremony can be be Elvis, the Easter Bunny or a biker in a tutu, it’s no longer religious. If you want to make it about religion, then deny all people the right to marry if they don’t believe in God. Or…does that make your view sound ridiculous?

    It was wrong then, and it’s wrong now.
    Be educated! If you believe in equality for all, stand with me to fight by voting No on Prop 8

    • beetlebabee
    • Posted November 3, 2008 at 9:21 pm
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    The idea that our public school administrators are unbiased observers in this election is a farce.

    TODAY in our town, a prop 8 sign that was too close to school property was destroyed by two Conejo Valley Unified administrators. It was caught on camera.

    There’s no way they can say that they are unbiased in this debate. The ferocity and cruelty shows through. This is who runs our schools. This is the face of tolerance.

    In some ways with tolerance laws being the way they are, with these kinds of people enforcing them, some of our control over education really has been lost. I think this fight will continue, and should continue after the election. We need to repeal tolerance laws that equate tolerance with promotion.

  4. Melissa is dead on. Go girl! It is true….this is not about society anymore when religion keeps being brought into it. Do u realize that church and state were seperated for this reason?!

    Read Melissas’ response….it sums up all of my thought’s on this.

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